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22.01.2011, 17:39
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Hello I am new and my German is very bad to write
Hi all
I am hoping someone here will be able to read my post and give me the correct information that I need to buy a small boat with a 5ps engine in Germany. I wnat to use this boat on the rivers and small lakes in germany and also the French Britagne coast. I am told that 5ps or 5hp I do not need a license. Then some people tell me at 5hp I need a license.## Is there anyone on this forum from Germany who has the same engine and do not have a license? Please let mek now. I live in Mannheim and will be buying a zodiac 340 or 420 soon. thanks very much. 
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22.01.2011, 17:44
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forget it!!! I´s to dangereus what you want.
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22.01.2011, 17:48
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with 5 hp you dont need a license in Germany
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22.01.2011, 17:51
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22.01.2011, 17:54
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hää???bin doch schon voll lange hier
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22.01.2011, 17:58
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 Fehler vom Amt Ich habe mich etwas vertippt Ich meinte natürlich Zodiac 340m
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22.01.2011, 18:02
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Hello,
I don't think, that at these small rivers and lakes, where you intend to go to, you are allowed to use combustion engines !
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22.01.2011, 18:05
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Ich bitte euch
der kann doch kein Deutsch schreibt Bitte Englisch und wer kein Englisch kann, schreibt Bitte  SchwänglischI understand just train-station ich versteh nur bahnhof sorry, my english is under all pig entschuldige, mein englisch ist unter aller sau I think I spider ich glaub ich spinne the devil will i do den teufel werd ich tun my lovely mister singing club mein lieber herr gesangsverein come on…jump over your shadow komm schon…spring über deinen schatten you walk me animally on the cookie du gehts mir tierisch auf den keks there my hairs stand up to the mountain da stehen mir die haare zu berge tell me nothing from the horse erzähl mir keinen vom pferd it’s not good cherry-eating with you es ist nicht gut kirschen essen mit dir now it goes around the sausage jetzt geht’s um die wurst there you on the woodway da bist du auf dem holzweg I hold it in head not out ich halt’s im kopf nicht aus I see black for you ich seh schwarz für dich your are so a fear-rabbit du bist so ein angsthase are you save? bist du sicher? give not so on gib nicht so an heaven, ass and thread! Himmel, Arsch und Zwirn! Human Meier Mensch Meier you have not more all cups in the board du hast nicht mehr alle tassen im schrank she had a circleroundbreakdown sie hatte einen kreislaufzusammenbruch I know me here out ich kenn mich hier aus I fall from all clouds ich fiel aus allen Wolken no one can reach me the water niemand kann mir das wasser reichen not the yellow of the egg nicht das gelbe vom ei everything in the green area alles im grünen bereich I die for Blackforrestcherrycake Ich sterbe für Schwarzwälderkirschtorte it walks me icecold the back down es läuft mir eiskalt den rücken runter I’m foxdevilswild ich bin fuchsteufelswild now you look but silly out of the clothes Jetzt schaust Du aber dumm aus der Wäsche Gruß Michael
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22.01.2011, 18:10
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Wie es in der Bretagne aussieht, weiss ich auch nicht..
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22.01.2011, 18:17
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Dann ischer Gruppenposer. 
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22.01.2011, 18:29
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Hello Zodiac, first of all - nice that somebody from abroad has entered this forum . Warm welcome.  Where are you from ? And what's your name ? To answer your question : only if your engine has more than 5 hp you are obliged to have a license ( SBF Binnen ) The police may control you and if you have more than 5 hp but no license you may not only get problems with the police but you may even risk your normal driver's license for the car. Second problem : with a maximum 5 hp engine your boat is not very strong and you may get trouble with the currents... 5 hp s may be sufficient in some small lakes or channels, but if you want to go the coast of Bretagne , to the sea side, than you will not be able to steer the boat safely ! So I would suggest you either really stay on little calm lakes and channels and forget about the open sea and you will be happy with 5 hp. Or get the licenses and buy a stronger engine which you also can use at the coast.. All the best and kind regards from Jutta
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22.01.2011, 18:39
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Er/ sie lebt wohl in Monnem (Mannheim)
Hab's im ersten post überlesen...
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22.01.2011, 19:10
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List of license free 5hp power mixers in dschörmänie.
http://www.bsh.de/de/Schifffahrt/Spo...oren/Liste.pdf
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22.01.2011, 19:21
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Welcome to the Boat-Forum!
 Is the boat on the user-picture yours? I think you won't have much fun with such a boat on any German river. The flow is to high. But on some lakes it would be great!
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22.01.2011, 21:01
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Mit dem Bombard aerotec380 und 5PS 2-Takt komme ich alleine auf 23 km/h (Gps). Für welchen deutschen Fluss ist das zu langsam? Mit einem QS 430 HD XS war ich mit 5 Ps 4-Takt nur 9,2 km/h schnell und mit viel Spaß auf dem Rhein bei Koblenz unterwegs (1,5km/h über Grund). Aber jetzt zu lesen, dass wir in Deutschland nur reißende Ströme haben ...   Was ist mit Lahn, Mosel, Main, die gesamten Kanäle, etc. ....? Selbst die untere Elbe fließt nur 4 mal am Tag einigermaßen schnell, und dass dann mal aufwärts, mal abwärts. Da werden eher die Seen ein Problem, viele sind für Verbrennungsmotoren nämlich gesperrt... 
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22.01.2011, 21:13
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Hello Hohensteinchen
THANK you for such a warm and sweet welcome  . Thanks for all the nice information. So all those dingbats who are telling me that I MUST have a licence for a 5ps they are talking thru their bums?I live in Mannheim and originally from the USA, been here ten years. Miss boating so much and also fishing, but so many damned regulations prevent me from enjoying the fun things I once enjoyed back home. I am a female by the way , yes, females do like these things too The boat in the photo is my intended boat. I may even get the 420. If I can put a 5hp on a 420 will it be safe enough to just puddle in sheltered harbors and bays on the French coast? I do not intend to take this out to sea. Is this German boat test difficult? Someone told me I can get the book and study it and the answers are already in there, is this true? I eventually want to do this but the guy in Mannheim told me its over 1,000 euros for the german licence and then the one for the sea. I have no clue if this is true. That is why I came here, plus some of you get to practice your English for free Thanks again for the warm friendly welcome. Are there other Yanks on here? Zitat:
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22.01.2011, 21:17
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22.01.2011, 21:20
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22.01.2011, 21:25
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Zitat:
I meant big lakes and big rivers, but I know Bodensee I cant use it, as that is International waters and require a special license or a ferienpass. thanks
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22.01.2011, 21:28
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Of course! 1,5 km/h SoG. 
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22.01.2011, 22:09
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Für welchen deutschen Fluss ist das zu langsam?
Donau, teilweise Rhein Aber jetzt zu lesen, dass wir in Deutschland nur reißende Ströme haben ... Wo hast du denn das gelesen? Für mich wären 1,5km/h zu langsam und der Spritverbrauch zu hoch.
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22.01.2011, 23:12
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Moin Lady Zodiac,
you better take the 340 Zodiac, this will allow you to beat the currents with a 5 hp easily. With the larger inflatable, it might be a bit boring, if you want make more than two, three miles a day.In France on the sea side, you may need the Spertbootführerschein See. I'm sure, you know that the tidal currents on the Bretagne seaside are really strong, much more than on our rivers. The german driving license, which is the Sportbootführerschein Binnen, is not to difficult, they will take you through a paperwork test and a short practical examination on a small boat Cost in the area of 500 Euro, if you take a training coarse. There is a trainer download available: http://www.tim-koester.de/ go to downloads and select the SBF Binnen Trainer. This should give you an idea about the cope of the story. And after all, you need to register your boat in Germany, The Wasser und Schiffahrtsamt will provide you with the paoers, i think costs were 18 Euro. A last question, are you able to read german text (i believe you do, after beeing here since a long time). If yes, i will answer in my native tounge, makes it much faster. regards Hanse Geändert von jannie (22.01.2011 um 23:21 Uhr)
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22.01.2011, 23:24
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Zitat:
P.S. Zitat:
http://www.boote-forum.de/member.php?u=18631
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Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend. Geändert von PderSkipper (22.01.2011 um 23:29 Uhr)
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22.01.2011, 23:30
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Hello and welcome,
most of it was already written, but please be cautious because of the coastal tide on the French Atlantic and also because of the traffic on the Rhine. It is useful to start with simpler waters. If you would like to do the German driver's licenses, should be your biggest problem, the German language. I have no idea if you can make it on english. We have licenses for inland and see separate. With a 5 hp boat in Germany you don`t need a license. We would be pleased if you would call us your first name. Uups, Hanse said all better than me.
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23.01.2011, 00:53
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[QUOTE=zodiac340m;2082940]Hello Hohensteinchen
THANK you for such a warm and sweet welcome . Thanks for all the nice information. . I am a female by the way, yes, females do like these things tooQUOTE] Hi zodiac ( or however your name is...???), I am a female too and I am happy that with you the female fraction in this forum is increasing enormously. We are very very very few here ... As to your question concerning the license I can only recommend you to have a look into the questions which you can find in the internet - the link has been published here some answers before. And then you will find out if your German knowledge is sufficient to be able to pass the theoretic part of the exam. The practical one is no problem, but the theoretical one is not that easy . There are a lot of silly questions which are purely theoretic and difficult to learn because there is nothing to understand using your brain but you have to learn them by heart. Approx. 470 questions but there are only about 100 which are really necessary and useful. The rest is , imho, rubbish . So if you have the impression that you can get on with your German language knowledges then just buy the book, lean back in a comfortable fireside chair, learn the content and then sign up for the exam. I don't remember what the book costs, I think it was approx. 20 Euro, and I also do not remember the fees for the exam but it was really not expensive. If you already have practise in sailing a boat you will easily pass the practical exam. I would just take 1 or 2 hours of practice in a boat school so you will know what the examiners want to see. ( Man over bord, stopping, going alsongside etc.) And then you will be able to use a reasonable engine without depending on current and wind ! Kind regards from Jutta
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